« "A Black Jew Walks Into a Mexican Bar..."The Bachelor's Life For Me »

12 comments

Comment from: ben shive [Visitor] Email · http://www.benshive.com
I've only given a little thought to this, so blast me if you want to. I get a little annoyed whenever preachers talk about the ten commandments as though they weren't part of the written code that stood against us and was cancelled when Jesus nailed it to the cross (I think I'm quoting Corinthians there, but I'm not sure). I understand why it still has special bearing. It is the core of the law and it's closest to the spirit of the law. That's probably why Jesus talked about it in the Sermon on the Mount. But we're not obligated to keep the written law, but to live by faith and by the Spirit. So I figure the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath fall in there. The Sabbath is part of God's will for us, but we aren't obligated to keep a Sabbath as the Jews did. We keep the Sabbath by the Spirit. That's not to say I do. I'm horrible at it. But even that just affirms that it's probably a more difficult keeping than the strictly legal keeping. I think Paul says elsewhere that there should be no judgement regarding one man's keeping of a day as holy and another man's keeping of another day (or no specific day?). Again, you're Bibleman (tm), you tell me. I like your writing, by the way.
07/21/06 @ 08:04
Comment from: ben shive [Visitor] Email · http://www.benshive.com
an addendum to my first comment:

I just realized that I didn't really make a point. I think my point is that Christian sabbath-keeping is probably every bit as ambiguous as you are annoyed that it might be. I don't hear it addressed much in the letters to the gentiles (who might have needed some instruction) and all of Jesus' teaching about it leaves me scratching my head.
07/21/06 @ 08:35
Comment from: peter [Member] Email
Ben,

I don't want to blast you. I don't want to blast anyone, really. I've holstered my blaster.

I really like your writing--very insightful. I'm happy to see you using benshive.com now. The most recent post about Ezra made me pause and feel something of the depth of God and the necessity of community.

What you've written here is great, too. I agree that the Ten Commandments are a part of the law that was our tutor until Christ. Jesus incorporated the law in the Sermon on the Mount, some say. I think he incorporated it into the Christian faith as much as he incorporated the idea of an eye for an eye. Both follow the pattern, "You have heard..., but I say to you...," yet some make a distinction and give renewed authority to the Ten Commandments. How is this sound, especially given Paul's categorical refusal (as you point out) to allow legalism any foothold in the fledgling church?

What gets to me (I guess I am annoyed, but I don't mean to always seem like it) is that we give the Sabbath so little thought and observe it--out of freedom, of course--with sparing intentionality. My real concern, if you must know, is that I have not been setting apart (i.e., consecrating, making holy) even this one day of the week. I have treated Sunday, the Sabbath, and going to church colletively as an appendix to my week. How much does this belie a wider lack of communion and commitment to holiness in my life?

Not trying to make too much out of it. I just know that my abscence from God's church is unacceptable to me. And even though I poke some fun at my friends with whom I work, I know I could use some of their commitment.
07/21/06 @ 21:53
Comment from: ben shive [Visitor] Email · http://www.benshive.com
I'm with you. Most of my annoyance with the church is really annoyance with myself.
07/22/06 @ 14:04
Comment from: Ethan Beckler [Visitor] Email
Peter-

I have talked with various individuals about the importance of keeping the Sabbath. Some say any day is ok. What if God really really really wanted a specific day? Boy if only He mentioned which day. Oh yeah, He did. I think we should still honor the Sabbath and keep it holy. Jesus didn;t come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The Law is a wonderful guide to what God desires from us. The 10 commandments are still applicable for the believer. Ceremonial laws have little effect on the believer today, as they were meant to distinguish Israel from the world. My parents do not go out to eat or to the movies, or to any entertainment on Sundays, as they do not wish to encourage people to work on the sabbath. NO, they don't count their steps like some used to, but they encourage other believers by keeping the sabbath. I have talked to some who say " I won't watch rated-R movies on Sundays". Jesus never got rid of the 10 commandments....He interpreted them through His life on earth.

Blessings,
EThan Beckler
07/25/06 @ 18:37
Comment from: Cara Harjes [Visitor] Email
Peter! I have nothing to say about the 10 Commandments this morning . . . just stumbled across your blog today . . . nice to see that you and stephanie are still alive and well. Fun to see your name and get a little slice of what life is like for you after a handful of years.

- Cara (Goz) Harjes
08/14/06 @ 10:44
Comment from: Louise [Visitor] Email
I'm chatty tonight so comment on here too if that's ok?

When I first went to Free Church of Scotland 4 years ago I found the sabbath keeping stricter. Many folk work in health care so a lot of folk had to miss some Sunday services but the whole day was set aside from ordinary use. There were few that wouldn't cook on Sundays but inviting other folk from church was common with lazy afternoons (rest?) and usually no televison. At the same time not horribly legalistic. If you slept in and missed morning service it wasn't a big deal. Lovely not to have any pressure to shop or clean or do ironing. Definitely a "space" in the week for remembering that really we do nothing and God does everything.

PS You have got a gift for writing about "current issues" in a way that's NOT preachy or matey or hand-wringing. Keep hitting the nails on the head!
09/10/06 @ 17:05
Comment from: William [Visitor] · http://havinglife.com
The Sabbath is a confusing thing for me still. I feel like I should be honoring it sometimes, but churches tell me, things kinda changed with christ's time.

HavingLife.com Online Bible Tools
02/12/07 @ 19:56
Comment from: Malcolm [Visitor] Email
hey ethan I like what you wrote there that the sabbath is a command from god and we as christ followers and god's people should obey. I attend church on saturdays and its not really hard to do.I don't practice the other stuff like people back in those times but god understands. how ever I do visit sunday churches and the people there love the lord as well and I love the lord for every thing he has done. If I was to attend on both days I'll rest completely on the sabbath attend a church service on sunday and go home and do what ever and praise the lord cause there is connections between. the sabbath was not abolished jesus came to enforce it. the sabbath was a day giving from god to us to honor him on which we all know is saturday. far as the other nine they are really hard to keep but thats where our faith and trust comes in at. of course we all know that there is only one god and one creator. what I think ethan is we need to stop putting each other down because we are in the body of christ and reason together. we also need to learn from each other. until then ethan write me back and keep reading and studying the word of god.
03/27/07 @ 23:28
Comment from: GERRY WILMER [Visitor]
CHRIST CAME THE FIRST TIME TO ANNOUCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD YET TO COME. HE ALSO CAME TO FULFILL THE LAWS. FULFILL MEANS TO ADD TO,TO MAKE COMPLETE.TO TEACH US THAT THE LETTER OF THE LAW WAS NO LONGER ENOUGH. WE MUST KEEP THE LAWS IN SPIRIT ALSO.MAN HAS NO ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHANGE THE SABBATH.GOD THE FATHER KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR MANLIND
05/13/08 @ 17:14
Comment from: GERRY WILMER [Visitor]
CHRIST CAME THE FIRST TIME TO ANNOUCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD YET TO COME. HE ALSO CAME TO FULFILL THE LAWS. FULFILL MEANS TO ADD TO,TO MAKE COMPLETE.TO TEACH US THAT THE LETTER OF THE LAW WAS NO LONGER ENOUGH. WE MUST KEEP THE LAWS IN SPIRIT ALSO.MAN HAS NO ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CHANGE THE SABBATH.GOD THE FATHER KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR MANKIND
05/13/08 @ 17:15
Comment from: Gramtee [Visitor]
? Did the bible say that God had written His Laws in our hearts> Does that mean that we should know them? Did Jesus say we no longer are to keep the Laws that God gave? Where is that in the bible? I keep reading and in the old and new testaments we are told to obey God's commands, which ones?(where is the list? John 13:34 states "and new commandment I give you" (seems like an add on, not an deletion of the old). I cannot find anyone to help me with my questions maybe you can??? Thanks
07/02/09 @ 19:13

Leave a comment


Your email address will not be revealed on this site.

Your URL will be displayed.
(Line breaks become <br />)
(Name, email & website)
(Allow users to contact you through a message form (your email will not be revealed.)
Subscribe to comments by email

You can just use your OpenID to provide your name, e-mail and url.