It's a happy Mother's Day for an Arkansas woman — she's pregnant with her 18th child.

And of course, the gem that always gets me:

She and her husband, Jim Bob Duggar, said they'll keep having children as long as God wills it.

I wonder what their stimulus check is like. :O

Sauce.

Happy Mother's Day to all of you lovely ladies out there! I have so many friends that are mothers now that I can't even list them all without leaving someone out accidentally.

But a special nod goes to the couple of ladies I know who are currently expecting their first children. Today we found out that Abby in our office is three months pregnant! What an exciting time.

So here's to all of you young moms, who are doing your best to keep up the home, raise your child, be a good wife, and be yourself. I know it's a balancing act, and I admire you for doing it.

Who knew Peter O'Toole was capable of being a manly man?! In The Lion in Winter, he plays Henry II, who has ruled for many years and acquired much power, but must now choose which son will take over as king when he dies. The problem is that Henry favors his son John (Nigel Terry), his hating-loving wife Eleanor (Katherine Hepburn) favors Richard (Anthony Hopkins), and poor Geoffrey (John Castle) must fend for himself since nobody seems to care for him. Added to the complexities is the character of Alais, played by Jane Morrow, who loves Henry but could possibly be forced to marry one of his sons.

The movie was adapted from a successful play, and it shows. The dialog is whip-smart and moves quickly and with great impact. Each scene is filled with so many witticisms, emotions, and changes in the direction of the plot. At one moment, one might think there was love between certain members of the royal family, but at the next, one is sure that they all hate each other and are simply plotting. And it switches back and forth throughout the whole film, leaving the audience to figure out if even the characters actually know how they truly feel about each other.

I haven't seen a lot of Peter O'Toole movies, but (and I know I'm a minority on this) I hated him in Lawrence of Arabia. Actually, I'm not so sure I hated him so much as his actual character. O'Toole was kind of set in my mind as the epitome of a wuss since then, so to see him roar through the castle in The Lion in Winter was a surprise. It was a welcome surprise, though, and I loved him as Henry II. Not to be outdone is Katherine Hepburn, who seemed to become a much better actor as her years progressed, and is absolutely superb in this movie. She is most certainly the star of the show. This movie also marks the first major role of one Anthony Hopkins, who is one of my all-time favorites. His character is extremely interesting because he is both a fighter and a pawn, and he handles the extremes very well, from absolute anger to vulnerability in a matter of seconds.

The movie does feel like a play, with each scene lasting a very long time and the sets being only a few rooms of the castle. It works, though, and the movie is deeply involving because of the family's tight quarters for their battles of words and wits.

Overall, it's thoroughly tiring because of its range of emotional charges but a very great film.

I got my stimulus check and my copy of GTA IV so I may be a bit occupied for awhile. Hope you all have a good weekend and a happy early Mother's Day to all the moms out there. You really do make the world go 'round even though sometimes you drive us a little nuts.

I couldn't even talk Ric into seeing this one with me. I'm not sure why I really wanted to see it, but then again, I run out to see Nickelodeon movies some times, so why try to make sense out of my movie tastes?

Anyway, I thought it was probably safest to see this at the cheap theater, just in case, so I had to go see it by myself. Thanks, dear! The highlight of the audience was an older man who looked like stalker potential but ended up falling asleep halfway through the movie and snoring through about 1/4 of the story. Other than that, I've actually been having better luck with audiences at the cheap theater than those at regular ones lately!

Jumper is about a teenager who lives alone with his father and has a crush on a girl at school. He gives her a snowglobe with the Eiffel Tower in it because she wants to travel. When another guy sees it and makes fun of him, throwing the globe onto an ice-covered river, it's not hard to guess that our hero will go after it. When he does, he falls through the ice, and instead of dying, he instinctively teleports himself to his local library. Several years later, after he has honed his talent, he's being tracked by people called Palladins, who think that all Jumpers should die (for religious reasons, of course). He pops back to his home town to pick up the girl he loved, and they fly to Rome, where the adventure begins, including the discovery that there are others of his kind.

The movie stars Hayden Christensen, who shows here as well as in other movies (see: Shattered Glass) that it really was George Lucas's fault that he came across so poorly in Attack of the Clones (say what you will about Revenge of the Sith - I liked it). Jumper doesn't give Christensen much of an acting challenge, but he's at ease in this role, and makes the preposterous plot not seem so preposterous, which I think takes talent. His co-star is Rachel Bilson, who does the best she can with the character she's given - a girl who doesn't seem to question very much when the boy who disappeared under the ice shows up 8 years later with no explanation of how he lived.

The movie obviously has a bit of ridiculousness and some flaws. One bit of ridiculousness is that one of David's favorite places to relax is on a lawn chair on top of the Sphinx. Uhh, that's pretty obvious, with so many tourists around, don't you think? The movie also has a lot of narration at the beginning, but none of it is necessary at all, and it would have been a better movie without it.

But despite the little things, Jumper has a little bit of something to it. The jumping itself is pretty cool. The sound and visual effects are good. The locations are all over the place and interesting (I got to re-live my honeymoon a bit in the Rome sequence). The idea of jumping is well-developed, including wormholes and the idea that a jumper can take people or items with him when he jumps. David's relationship with his father and the story of his mother are more than I would have expected out of a movie like this.

It's a movie that had the potential to be much better, but ended up being pretty good anyway. I'm not saying that it's taking home any prizes, but I had a fun time, and am not sorry that I made a point of going out to see it. It's probably better than some of the blockbusters I'll end up seeing this summer.

While I'm not a huge fan of Nine Inch Nails' music, I love the way the last several albums have been distributed. I blogged about the exciting viral marketing campaign for Year Zero, but I haven't mentioned the far more significant news of the two releases that followed it.

You may have heard that earlier this year Nine Inch Nails (or Trent Reznor--I'll be using the two more or less interchangeably) released Ghosts I-IV for free on the internet. Following Radiohead's pay-what-you-want album, this release received much less attention in the press, even though Trent Reznor gave fans higher-quality audio files through his cooperation with bit torrent clients.

It may have been easy to overlook Ghosts I-IV because it didn't feel like a traditional album: it's a collection of instrumental pieces that probably wouldn't have been at all successful if released in a traditional medium.

But this past week Nine Inch Nails announced yet another release, and this time it's a more traditional, 10-track album with vocals and everything. Once again, it's given to everyone for free online, and in multiple high-quality formats.

All of this is pretty exciting, coming from a successful, high-profile artist. Yet I think the biggest news about this album is a detail that most people have overlooked. Both Ghosts I-IV and The Slip are released under a Creative Commons License. In other words, fans can not only download the music for free, but they can also freely distribute it, perform it, sample it, remix it, or incorporate it into any other work (This American Life has used music from Ghosts in two of their shows). The only conditions are that the original artist is credited and that the derived work is noncommercial and released with a similar license.

To understand the significance of this, consider what has been happening in our culture with music recently. In an attempt to reign in filesharing and to increase profits, music distributors have been claiming stringent control over what is done with music after it has been purchased. Fans are told they are not free to copy music for their own personal use or even rip CDs to an mp3 player. Coffee shops are getting in trouble for playing music in their stores without permission. There is talk of charging radio stations for each song they play.

While the mainstream music distributors are pushing toward greater limits on what consumers do with music, Trent Reznor has come along and given permission to not only download his albums, but to use them for any non-commercial purpose, completely free of charge.

So while Radiohead gets the big headlines for a one-time free album download (and they'll always be my personal favorite band), Nine Inch Nails deserves the real credit for leading the way to a whole new way of distributing and licensing music.

Good News

Congrats are in order to Kyle who welcomed the second addition to his family on Tuesday, Evangeline Mae.

Evangeline: from the Greek euangelion (εὐαγγέλιον), meaning "Good News"

This is Evangeline Mae, born May 6, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. She weighed 7 pounds, 3 ounces.

We are calling her Eva.

Her mom and dad are very excited...

...and so is her brother.

- D I N O * R U N -

I'm just happy I finally found a flash game that isn't blocked at work. The name says it all here. You're a dinosaur and you run. The 8-bit graphics are fantastic.

I think I just reached a part of my Netflix queue that I added when I first started getting into Netflix, and I was bored one day and started adding all of Roger Ebert's recommendations. I can't think of any other reason why it looks so random to me. So expect all sorts of variety in the future!

The Right Stuff was another I had heard of and always meant to get around to, and now that I have, I wonder why I never saw it earlier. The cast alone is so enticing, especially now, because it's so fun to see all of these famous people in their younger years. Starring Sam Shepard, Scott Glenn, Ed Harris, Dennis Quaid, Fred Ward, Barbara Hershey, Kim Stanley, Veronica Cartwright (who I always like to think of as "the bad acting mom from Flight of the Navigator" but is wonderful here), Pamela Reed, and Mary Jo Deschanel - to name a few - this movie is the story of America's first astronauts. I'd just like to add that Ed Harris isn't an actor that I tend to enjoy, even though he is usually a very capable actor, but with his role as John Glenn, it was impossible to dislike his infectious performance.

Beginning with recruitment of pilots, the story takes us through tons of tests and competitions and leads to the first manned trips into orbit. It's such a comprehensive storyline and is so interesting that I certainly didn't mind that it was three-and-a-half hours long.

The movie is beautiful from start to finish, with great use of color, costume, sets, and direction. I really liked the combination of imagery and music as well. The scenes with the failed takeoffs were particularly effective to me.

I liked that this movie focused a lot on character development rather than just telling us the events as they happened. This is the story of people, and whether or not it's completely accurate, it's a complete movie because the script got into the details, such as the story of John Glenn's wife (especially when she turns down LBJ for an interview). There are also several scenes that show the solidarity of the astronauts. I really liked watching them learn that they had to like and stand up for each other in order to reach their common goals.

But even beyond the grandeur of the space race, the movie is framed and intersected often by the story of Chuck Yeager, who began where all of those pilots did, but stayed there when they moved on. The movie really focuses on what makes a hero and what makes a good pilot, and I loved that this story flushed out that theme. They don't do that type of thing often with big movies these days.

Well, as you might guess, I really liked this movie. It's got such an interesting subject, but it tells that story in a great way, and has far more of a sense of humor than I expected. Great flick!

Wow. I knew that Google had been working on Street View for their maps lately, but didn't realize it had finally extended to our area! It's a little bit creepy, but it's so useful for finding one's destination. My only disappointment was that my car wasn't parked on the street when they took photos of our old place. It would have been immortalized!

Anyway, I know I have been bad about posting photos of the new place, so I'm starting off with one straight from the amazing online map system. We now live in a condo complex of about 100 units. Our biggest fear would be that we would move in and realize we were in the ghetto, but actually it's been almost always completely quiet. I say almost because while I was out on Monday, Ric said our quiet (almost non-existent in my consciousness) neighbors had a massive argument and were screaming at each other and knocking over furniture. Whoah! But, after being here for three months, that instance was certainly out of the norm.

We have loved the location of our particular unit, because it's right next to the gate and right next to the trash. We don't have to drive through the complex and go over speed bumps to get to our carports, and our carports have direct access to our condo. The trash bin is right across from our carports too, so it doesn't seem like a very big hassle to take out the trash. In fact, it's actually a lot easier because I don't have to walk through Little Vietnam to put out the trash for pickup. Speaking of which, here's a great photo from our moving day:

That's another great thing about living in a condo - no yard work! While I enjoyed having a yard and took pride in working on it, it's actually nice to have my time free so that I can focus on the inside of our new place.

Another thing I like is that our condo is situated in such a way that we only have a window facing the north in our master bedroom. This means it's always cool in there, no matter what time of day. And so we can sleep or nap comfortably for the first time since we got married, since we're not miserable because of the heat like we were in our old apartment.

So that's an intro to where we live. I'll have to put together a slideshow in the future to show the progress we have been making inside. It's a battle of us vs. yellow, and we're finally winning!

I knew I forgot something yesterday. I am so glad I finally got to meet you, man. I hope you had a good birthday. You're an integral part of this community and your posts pretty much always bring a smile to my face. Here's to you!

Four nights ago my garden was dug up. I looked at it in the morning and all the seeds I had planted were mixed up and it was clear that a dog had been digging in my garden. It was probably looking for one of the many moles that roams my yard. I smoothed the dirt back out, but didn't replant anything. The next night it was dug up again. And the next night. So, I borrowed an outdoor light from my dad, set up my video camera in the window and installed some motion-sensor/recording software on Sara's MacBook (EvoCam). Once I found out which of the neighborhood dogs was destroying my work, I would be able to print off a picture and take it to the owner to ask that they keep their dog out of my yard. Well, my setup worked, but the culprit was not what I expected:

That looks like a fox to me. I live in the middle of a town of about 2,000. I've seen a fox wandering the streets in the last year, but I never was able to catch it on film. Now the mystery is solved, but I don't know what I can do about it. I wonder if the local animal control office has an email address.

Ever since we watched this movie at movie night with the Agadonis, I've been conjuring up Oddball whenever Ric's being pessimistic and saying, "Why don't you knock it off with them negative vibes?" An unrealistic but lovable romp through WWII Germany, this movie stars all sorts of great actors, from Clint Eastwood (Kelly) to Donald Sutherland (who plays Oddball). Together, they are soldiers who get wind of Nazi treasure and create an unauthorized invasion across enemy lines to rob a bank. That they take out some significant German forces is definitely a bonus.

The funny thing that Ryan pointed out is that Oddball is certainly odd when you're thinking about WWII, because everything he says sounds like something out of the mouths of hippies. But it doesn't seem to matter because it's entertaining. And Germany doesn't look much like Germany for half the movie, but again, it doesn't matter because it's entertaining.

Another interesting thing is that Clint Eastwood is pretty much outshone by all of the actors in the movie, but his character's name is in the title. But when your supporting men are Telly Savalas and Don Rickles, and you're an even-keeled kind of guy, I suppose it's understandable.

We all had a lot of fun watching this one. I had never heard of it before, so kudos to Ryan (even though I actually don't like phrase "kudos to") for knowing it so well and wanting to share it with us. It's my pick this week, and I'll be choosing yet another one that I haven't seen in a very long time but remember liking a lot. Let's hope everyone does!

No End was the last of the many Kristoff Kieslowsky-directed movies that I got from Netflix. I have now watched all that Netflix has to offer of his. Sweet. Like Blind Chance, this movie had me from its start, because it begins with a man talking directly to the audience and telling them that he has died. In the events that follow, we learn that his wife has not taken his death well. She realizes, once he is dead, that she loved him more than she thought he did. She seems to alternate between sensing his presence and missing it as well. Antek, the dead husband, does watch her quite a bit, but at the times where she can't see him, she tries to find other ways to connect with him or fill in the void that he left. Eventually Ulla seeks to free herself from the hold that Antek has on her.

Another part of the movie is the story of a man whom Antek (a lawyer) was defending before he died. This is during a period of Martial Law in Poland, and the man is in jail for organizing a Solidarity strike. Ulla directs the man's wife towards Labrador, an older lawyer who was Antek's mentor, but is uncertain that she has made the right move when a question mark suddenly appears next to the lawyer's name in the directory. The lawyer uses manipulation to work the system in an effort to get the man out of prison, but the man finds more freedom in his own integrity than working the system.

It was a little bit hard for me to follow this movie because I didn't have a good understanding of the historical background, so some of the conversations going on in court or in prison were somewhat challenging, although I got the overall gist.

The movie is cast very well, all with actors who were also featured in Kieslowski's later movies. I recognized "the silent man" from The Decalogue instantly; I think his effectiveness in his later role sort of harmed my viewing of him in this movie because I didn't want to hear him talk. Also, from A Short Film About Love, Grazyna Szapolowska was unrecognizable to me. I didn't even connect her with the movie I had already seen. She is splendid here, particularly in a scene where she has a one night stand with a foreigner and tells him everything she has been feeling in Polish.

I think the elements of the story connected with death are the most effective ones, although the movie is successful overall. With the acting, writing, and music (yet again) combined, it was a movie that grabbed me at the beginning and had me very entranced until its end, and I would say that has everything to do with the Kieslowki-Szapolowska combination.

Mac has a story today about a teacher accused of wizardry for making a toothpick disappear. I couldn't make this up if I tried.

Teacher Jim Piculas does a magic trick where a toothpick disappears and then reappears.

Piculas recently did the 30-second trick in front of a classroom at Rushe Middle School in Land 'O Lakes.

Piculas said he then got a call from the supervisor of teachers, saying he'd been accused of wizardry.

"I get a call the middle of the day from head of supervisor of substitute teachers. He says, "Jim, we have a huge issue, you can't take any more assignments you need to come in right away," he said.

Wow. If I ever sub again I'll have to remember not to bust out the old disappearing thumb trick. I didn't know wizardry was grounds for dismissal. I guess Florida doesn't mess around. What do they do when Penn & Teller come to town?

Hi all,

In comparison with the past couple of weekends, I kept myself pretty darn busy this time around. On Friday after workout, I headed straight to the stores to buy a wok for my mother-in-law, because we were having our Mother's Day early this year. While I was out, I bought a lot of supplies for the Cinco de Mayo party, which I'm in charge of coordinating. It's a thing we do at work every year to have fun and eat food together. Basically we love parties. I went home and worked around the house and got some trim painted, and then Ric and I headed out for a late-night showing of Iron Man, which we loved.

Saturday I slept in only a little bit, then got up and started painting trim. Once I was finished with that, I shopped online a bit and ordered a heat gun for trying to get some paneling off our closet doors in the office. Then I headed out to the stores to shop for more Cinco de Mayo stuff. There's a party supply store in Santa Fe Springs that I can't recommend enough. Its prices are decent and they just have so much stuff! I loaded up with supplies for a couple of parties, then headed over to Costco. I had been considering a membership there for a while, but when I realized I needed to buy a 4+ pound chunk of beef for shredded beef tacos, I knew that I should just go get a membership. The awesome part was that I got a free $25 cash card at sign up and was able to use that to buy what I needed. From there I went to Vons to buy brownie sundae ingredients, and went home to bake brownies, since brownie sundaes were Ric's mom's choice for her Mother's Day dessert. Then we headed over to Ric's parents' place and went with them to Karuta for Mother's Day dinner. We had a good time there and then spent the evening chatting over our sundaes. I think I did more painting once I got home, and Ric and I watched Cloverfield too.

Sunday there was an outdoor church service and we didn't want to go, so I woke up and went straight to work on paint. I finally finished all the paint in the office and the living room! It feels good to finally be able to say that something is finished. We also ordered a little console to hold all of our audiovisual equipment, which should come in the next couple of weeks, and then the living room will almost look complete (minus some artwork). In the evening Erika called and we caught up with each other for a while, and then Ric and I went out to try and entertain ourselves only to find out that every store we wanted to visit was already closed. We made a quick stop by the grocery store, then watched some tv together (after I did a little bit more painting).

Today has been crazier than the weekend. I got to work and unloaded all of my party supplies, and then it was time for the department meeting. Once that was over, it was time for chapel. Our chaplain is retiring after 42 years of service, so we had to make sure to go and show our support of him. It was a fun time. After chapel, I started set up for the party, and at lunch we ate to our hearts' content and had a great time together. As soon as we were done cleaning up, I headed out for a doctor's appointment.

I had the test results for my MRI today. They say, "There is a central annular tear at the L5-S1. There is a moderate-to-large central disc protrusion. This projects approximately 6 mm posteriorly. This is likely in contact with the S1 nerve roots where they arise from the thecal sac. There is disc desiccation at this level." When I had my very first MRI a few years ago, the protrusion was 3 mm. So, it has increased, and now there is a tear on the disc. This is what has been causing my hip trouble while running. The only thing to do is not to overdo things. Supposedly, over time the tear will heal itself, and hopefully that will end the hip problems. So I guess that means I won't be running for a long time. That's frustrating, since it's very hard for me to make progress losing weight when I'm only walking and lifting weights. But it's what I've got, so I've got to get on with it!

Up this week: tonight is Jon's art show opening, Wednesday we're watching movies with the Agadonis, and Friday is Jon's graduation and celebration!

I freaking loved the movie. If you haven't seen it, go see it and make sure you stay after the credits. If you saw it already and for some crazy reason aren't going to see it again you can watch the scene here. I haven't geeked out so hard watching a movie in a long time. Props to Favreau, Robert Downey Jr., and the rest of the cast for the amazing work and the 100 million dollar opening.

Robert Downey Jr. was incredible as Tony Stark. I can't imagine anyone else in the role. I don't think I would have liked the movie nearly as much if Tom Cruise had been cast as originally planned. Terrence Howard did a great job as well and as teased in the movie, we'll be seeing more of him in the next one. Jeff Bridges was great as always, despite the fact that it's always hard for me not to see him as "The Dude." I'm not a huge Gwyneth Paltrow fan but I thought she did a fine job as Pepper Potts. Add to that one of my favorite Stan Lee cameos and a Peter Billingsley (Christmas Story) cameo along with lots of nods to the comic and you have a great start to the summer movie season. The new Dark Knight and Indiana Jones trailers almost made me forget what movie I was about to see. It has begun....

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XSketch is an online multi-player pictionary game. It's pretty fun.

After a brief hiatus my PC is back in action so I finally got to load some new stuff on the iPod. I also started using Media Monkey at the urging of Justin and Jon and I'm beginning to fall in love with it. Let's see if any of the new stuff shows up today.

1. Pet Shop Boys - I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind of Thing
2. They Might Be Giants - Hearing Aid
3. The Stone Roses - This is the One
4. Johnny Cash - Sundy Morning Coming Down
5. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Honeybear
6. Tori Amos - Black-Dove (January)
7. Oasis - Lyla
8. Jay-Z - American Dreamin'
9. Vast - I Don't Have Anything
10. Morrissey - Jack the Ripper

None of my new stuff popped up. The newest thing on that list is the Jay-Z track from American Gangster and that's from last year. Well, it's time to go home. Hope you all have a good weekend.

Hillary: Rich people, God bless us.

Somehow this multimillionaire is trying to paint Barack Obama as an upper crust elitist.

God Is Imaginary is a site that offers 50 simple proofs that the Christian God is not real. The articles are good and should give any Christian plenty to think about, but I'm not sure how I feel about their use of the word "proof." I think that many varieties of Christian faith today have been winnowed down over the years so that they're almost impossible to disprove.

Early on in the Christian myth God is someone who can walk, talk and wrestle with a human. Then he withdrew to Heaven, that place up in the sky. The story has Jesus going to Heaven by way of the clouds and promising to return by the same path. We've taken rockets beyond the clouds and the atmosphere and we don't see a gold-plated kingdom floating up there. We see only the vacuum of space. But now God and Heaven have moved to "another dimension" or "outside of space and time."

Another example of this can be found in prayer. The stories say that humans used to talk directly to God and he talked back. Then he only communicated through prophets. Early in the Christian era (and among some denominations today) it was thought that any believer could do miracles and expect answers to prayers. But today, most liberal Christians admit that they don't expect prayers to be answered as the Bible promises. Or, if they refuse to admit that, then they're quick to excuse God for not giving them what they ask for. Some go so far as to downplay prayers that ask for something in favor of seeing prayer as an act that conveys a spiritual benefit to the person praying. Early Christians and modern fundamentalists would see this as a very weak and non-Biblical view of prayer.

So, in my opinion, today's Christians can choose to divorce themselves from historical Christianity or they can divorce themselves from reality.

Prayer is something that can be tested. The Bible promises that prayers will be answered.

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
- Mark 11:24

You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
- John 14:14

Yet study after study has shown that prayer has no supernatural effect. When you pray for something, it's no more likely to happen than if you didn't pray. Many Christians, aware of this fact, are careful to not pray for anything unless there's a decent chance that it will happen anyway. When it does, they rejoice in the power of prayer. When it doesn't, well, that was just God's will.

This video makes the case that prayer is just another superstition:

But what about liberal Christians who admit that the passages I quoted above are not inerrant or at the very least don't mean what they seem to mean? Perhaps they value intercessory prayer for the calming effect it has on all involved and the social connections that it creates. Knowing that others are thinking about you and praying for you can have a real subconscious effect on a person. Studies on the efficacy of prayer have to control for these factors by making sure that patients don't know whether they're being prayed for or not. Why would we want to spoil the effect by pointing out that prayer actually has no supernatural effect? Preventing stories like this one is one reason. And I think we can get all the social and psychological benefits of prayer using completely rational methods.

If you're a believer, then what convinces you that God is not imaginary? Is your belief subject to falsification? If so, what evidence would prove to you that God is not real? If not, then can you claim that your beliefs are any more rational than Islam, FSM or Scientology?

Ben Stein: "science leads you to killing people" - Boing Boing

Stein: When we just saw that man, I think it was Mr. Myers [biologist P.Z. Myers], talking about how great scientists were, I was thinking to myself the last time any of my relatives saw scientists telling them what to do they were telling them to go to the showers to get gassed ... that was horrifying beyond words, and that's where science - in my opinion, this is just an opinion - that's where science leads you.

Crouch: That's right.

Stein: ...Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people.

Crouch: Good word, good word.

I honestly don't know how you can take someone seriously when they say ridiculous crap like that. I'm sorry, but whenever people start comparing or equating things to the Nazis, I tune out because they are an idiot. The fact that someone can say loving God and science are mutually exclusive really boggles my mind. Saying science is evil and wrong isn't really helping in the case to try and get the scientific community to take Intelligent Design seriously. Neither is lying and misrepresenting yourself in a documentary where you are trying to do the same. Keep up the great work, Ben.